Arnor Ruins Guide


#1

As the resident classicist, I have some experience in analysing ruins from the ancient and medieval world. Thus, I do have some authority when it comes to helping out on the building of ruins in this server, especially for arnor. As always, the visual guide is at /warp ArnorGuide

Firstly, I must stress that taking inspiration from standing ruins now is fine, but you must remember that these ruins are excavated and have been preserved and maintained for at least 200 years. In the case of Rome and Athens it is the continued existence of people in these cities that has really prevented the ruins from collapsing and disappearing further. However, what we do have is still ruins and many of the things I will say will apply to both them and the ruins you need to be able to make.

So, without further ado, I will now go on a lengthy guide as to how ruins should be done.

Planning

If you are leading an Arnorian ruined town, you’ll need to lay everything out in wool first. Though Kem’s guide covers the basics of planning a project, there are some specifics I’d like to add here.

Firstly, this generator should prove very useful in coming up with a basic layout:

Once you’ve generated one you like, you can lay it out in-game with any necessary edits. Though you obviously don’t have to create a profession and purpose for every single house, it does help to imagine what certain areas and buildings might have been in order to add interesting details to them.

Secondly, if you are laying out ruins, please make sure to make the house layouts large enough:

The layout on the left of this image is too small, as its house foundations are the same size (if not smaller) than hobbit houses (shown in the centre). The layout on the right is much better, as the houses are noticeably larger. Remember that the people who lived in these houses were literally twice the height of hobbits!

City/Town Walls

This all really depends on the thickness of the walls you’re building. However, more often than not these walls will usually have collapsed into an artificial hill of sorts. The larger the wall (think Annúminas), the more rock will be seen. However, you should curb your enthusiasm when it comes to walls as the tendency may be towards making sure whoever sees it knows it’s a wall. We’re building ruins. They are always difficult to interpret. Walls should have grassy mounds flanking each side of the wall, as that is part of the upper wall that has collapsed, allowing grass to grow over it.

Towers

A lot of thought needs to go into towers, even more so than the walls they are a part of. You should always think about where this tower has been built. Is it on flat terrain? Is it in a marsh? On a hill? Use this information to structure your ruins. A hill will have changed over the last 1600 years. The ground may be weaker, causing the tower to collapse more than it would on harder or flatter ground. A marsh will engulf a structure of such size. Always consider the weather as well. You may think that a tower will be mostly untouched on flat terrain, but is it in a valley that could funnel wind? What about rain? How far north is it? Freeze thaw is a very damaging process to buildings. In regards to the seemingly favoured leaning towers, once again, location and weather are key. A marsh would never sustain such a structure, but flat, hard terrain might. I would, as a rule, caution against them. They look impressive, but they are more likely than not, unrealistic in the grand scheme of things. These structures are way older than the leaning towers you see today!

Houses

No house would exist in its original form. As a matter of fact, no house would really exist beyond a few small, grass covered walls marking out where a house would be, and possibly the odd doorway, though this is unlikely. Once again, weather and location play a big role, but so do the materials the houses are made out of. Wood would never survive for 1600 years, thus the house would cease to exist. Stone, however, would collapse but still leave evidence. Further, if a house is built right by a river, would it still be able to be seen? Is it on a floodplain? Make note that the interior (or what would have been the interior) would not be a flat surface, but would have lumps of grass littered over it from where the roof has collapsed. Also remember that it is usually the case of the larger the room in a house, the less of it you’ll find as ruins. As these are unexcavated do not take it upon yourselves to leave archeaological evidence such as vases, pots, and weapons in these ruins.

Here is an album showing how to build a normal house:

Roads, Fora and Town Centres

These areas have not been trodden on for at least 1600 years. No traffic has been on these roads for the same amount of time. Therefore, all we should see of these areas is an unusually flat, grassy surface. Nothing more, nothing less.

Farms

If you look at farms these days that have been abandoned for around 60 years, you will first notice that they are almost entirely taken over by vegetation. The same should really be said for these ruins. They should look like a house within a town or city, but be overcome by the local wildlife. Their fields would be meadows, and not a shred of cobblestone wall or fences will be seen. You should really never know that these were once ploughed fields.

Archways

This has its own category as it is an odd one. Generally, if an archway is too thin to hold much more than a further wall above it, there would be no archway. However, if, like on the planned palace, there is an archway supported by huge, thick walls and the archway itself is of the same calibre, it will remain, just heavily cracked and damaged. Remember, again, that weather and location are key. Freeze thaw may destroy the sturdiest of archways, if given enough time.

Piers

These depend on the water that they strech out into. If they strech into the sea, it is likely (due to our assuption that they would have used the structural methods of the Romans) that these piers would still be very much structured. However, we must assume the same cannot be said for piers stretching into fresh water. They would be large clumps of rocks. Jetties and piers made of wood would no longer exist.

Special structures (Fountains, statues etc)

Wouldn’t exist in any noticable form beyond mounds of grass where they were located.

Bridges

Wouldn’t exist.

Further notes

  • If an interior area, due to its own support, survived beneath rubble it would survive in the condition it was in before it was closed in.
  • Structures on hilltops would be more susceptible to wind and rain erosion.
  • Be mindful of floodplains and marshland. Ruins would be unlikely to exist very long in such conditions.
  • Be mindful of the rock in the area. Sandstone would be less likely to survive than granite. Marble survives for centuries, and is very easy to notice.
  • Columns do remain standing, but in the conditions all of these ruins are in, I doubt many would remain standing.
  • Structures next to water (sea, lakes, rivers) would be less likely to be as complete as those further inland.
  • Gates wouldn’t have survived. They’re usually the first things to collapse in walls. This is also especially the case when attacked.
  • Be mindful of whether your settlement is Destroyed or Abandoned. Fire damage would leave next to nothing left. Abandoned structures just collapse after years.
  • Remember plantlife does as much damage as weather. If you decide to that something in a forest, there would be next to nothing left of it. Be mindful of this! Plants can tear down walls.

That is all the information I can summon for now. Please feel free to leave questions below and I’ll answer them when, and if I can. Further, don’t hesitate to ask me to check your ruins.

Sarge


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#2

#3

Annuminas is now shit. Revamp time.


#4

Actually, I am wondering about the larger house comment. Less would remain? Say a mansion, for example, has (insert granite) foundations, would you be less likely to see that instead of the foundations of smaller structures? I’m also completely up for destroying the towers on Annuminas walls, but however unrealistic, is a nice feature they contain currently. However they are mostly collapsed at this point.


#5

The towers in Annuminas are actually fine. The walls themselves look great as well. Pretty much what you’d expect from walls and towers that massive.

As for the statement of less would remain, I need to edit that as it’s more I think about it, the more it doesn’t particularly make sense. Sorry for that confusion. It would, however, be more akin to the larger the room of a house, the less you’ll find in terms of structure.


#6

That makes more sense, when put that way lol.


#7

Please refer to this step by step building guide for general building ruins. This is what your ruins should look like. If you want to see it in person, warp to the arnor guides and go to the plain just behind it.


#8

IMPORTANT NOTE: If you are laying out ruins, please make sure to make the house layouts large enough! The layout on the left of this image is too small, as its house foundations are the same size (if not smaller) than hobbit houses (shown in the centre). The layout on the right is much better, as the houses are noticeably larger. Remember that the people who lived in these houses were literally twice the height of hobbits!