MCME Drama Thread


#8


#9

Respectable response. I still can’t help but meme around a bit, though. Glad you can give some input :slight_smile:


#11

Not a single word about me…

So why am I banned?


#12

I dare say I clarified that well enough in your ‘Resignation’ thread over on MCME. Mainly because you were banned before and I used up DAYS of mine to get you out of the mess you were at that time. I fought for you and now you return as Eag’s sidekick, trying to unsettle as much of MCME as possible. But I don’t think this thread is meant to be about your case, as written, if you have questions direct yourself towards an Enforcer.


#13

Finrod, the last time I got on MCME I had a bunch of people saying stuff like, “Oh, look, it’s an ArdaCraft member. Here to advertise?” When I had never advertised. And when I did respond back, saying, “I mean, I need a break from Mithlond, so I’m on here for a bit.” I would be approached to show caution mentioning my other projects. You don’t need memes to talk garbage about other players. Memes just take the thoughts that are there and make them visually appealing in a way that even the most staunch opposition to your views can have a chuckle at.


#14

In what way did I betray you exactly? Did I ever owe you any loyalty? You run a server filled with people who hate me and what I do.

Yes, I explained why I did this in the post. I don’t like your server because of the attitude that was shown towards me. Therefore I had nothing to lose by creating memes mocking it. Eye for an eye. I literally said AC “have never been above making ‘edgy’ memes or jokes”. Did you read what I wrote?

Are you worried that our memes are going to lose you your rank?

You’re not banned lad

Also I didn’t complain about being banned for unjustified reasons, I did break your rules and I enjoyed doing it.

You and the Enforcers literally have no power over Q. In fact he demoted you as soon as he saw you were collaborating with the ‘enemy’. Seems like a bad intention to me when you clearly have no trust in your own Head Designer.


#15

I did break your rules and I enjoyed doing it.

Alright, a clear statement I can live with. I have said what I wanted to and I’ll stand to it. Settles it for me, Finrod out.


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#22

Normally I am not really involved in the affairs besides building on the server. But in this case I like to say a few things while this is a topic.

I joined ArdaCraft without knowing about MC Middle Earth, so I personally don’t know much about the relation and history between the two servers.

But I would like to say something about the “Intolerance” and the atmosphere on the server. At this moment I have been a member of ArdaCraft for about 2 years, in this time I have seen a lot happen on the server.
To be honest if you would join this server without knowing anything about it, we could seem rude, blunt, intolerant, etc. If a new player was not used to this, it could be difficult to join the community.
But I think (and really hope) that people act this way just because they find it fun to do and a lot of people are involved, not just to hurt other people. It is also different when almost everybody mocks each other, instead of only specific people being targeted, just like Fornad said.

There were a number of times people said things on the server that I think where outrageous. But I did not say anything about it. I could have done that, but I feel this is not the place and time to start discussions on these topics. Instead I was just building some elven houses.:grin:
I think even if you don’t like the atmosphere on the server it’s better to stay and initiate small changes by not participating in the conversations that you don’t like and acting the way you think is better, instead of leaving the server(and missing out on the fantastic building) or forcefully trying to change how people act.

Of course we could forcefully change the atmosphere on the server. But that would require mods who are censoring, deleting and managing conversations. I personally think that it would not be to the benefit of the server. The appearance of the server would change but not the people behind it. I would rather see people having their own limit of what is acceptable and what is not.

Anyway, that is my ramble on this topic. :roll_eyes:


#23

I almost forgot this, some important reference material for my post and this topic:


#24

We all care about each other here on the server whether you are an active member or not, if you are a part of the community you are treated as such. As Fornad said, we mock the hell out of each other all the time but at the end of the day its all in good fun. If someone were to have a problem we can talk it out as individuals rather than dragging a ‘staff’ member into mitigate the situation. I’ve been the target of some criticism in the past, and I’ve almost caused one member to leave our community through targeted criticism in the past. But you know what? Everyone got over it and moved on. We’ve had members in the past that wouldn’t get over things and move on, guess where they are now? Banned.

Both servers have a different way of going about things, and we’re never going to get along because each server believes it is doing the right thing. MCME with its authoritarian oversight and ‘disney-fication’ of Tolkien and ArdaCraft with its high build standards and lazed oversight. Both are never going to get along because at their core they want very different things to happen to allow their community to stay. I’m a bit biased in my views because of past treatments on MCME, so I hold ArdaCraft in a higher regard because they/we honestly don’t give a damn in regards to who you are or what you want to do; just as long as you aren’t a jerk while doing it and you can build well.


#25

i just wish the two servers could get over their differences and fights in the past and leave them there rather than keeping these arguments alive.

personally at different points i have built on both servers, i have had a great experience on each on its own and i wouldnt be the builder i am today without being on both.

i learned alot building on mcme and without it i would never have gotten into lotr and learned to build well enought to be accepted onto ardacraft.

it just seems a shame to me that rather than working our best to compete in a constructive way that we have to hurl insults at each other.

at its root this whole issue began with us having different ideals in how the world of middle earth should be built and about the levels of detail and sources of inspiration we use, that itself isnt bad and so im just going to hope that one day, even in years time that the two servers can finally learn to get over past wrongs to either compete in a constructive way or go our separate ways,but either way although I understand its hard both servers need to leave the past where it deserves to be.

  • the past.

#26

In my opinion I don’t think that is true. I thought about writing my thoughts and feelings on this thread when it was first made but decided not to, but here I am anyway.

Personally, I only joined ArdaCraft around April of 2017, when the whole Delmana drama happened. I have been a staff member on MCME and I helped built their version of Middle-Earth for over 5 years. Five. Years. At one point I was banned over the use of the word “nigger”. I can not express how glad I am to not have to think before I say something on a TeamSpeak/Discord, this is evidenced by my meteoric rise on the all-time-quotes-list. The use of this word was obviously against the rules of their family friendly server and I got slapped in the face with a three month ban. This did not stop me, I waited for three months and went back to MCME. Talk about dedication, right? I went back to MCME and worked really hard and I was finally promoted to Designer after I took over the Chamber of Light from none other than Finrod, who went missing in action halfway through the project. I led one of MCME’s Moria’s biggest halls and made it look great, by MCME’s standards.
I was rewarded with 5 years of hard work with nothing. I had proved my loyalty. I even spent around 90 euros on alternate account just to get on the server and look, let alone the donations I made. When criticising their enforcement of rules, I got no-one who took me, us, seriously. And this ultimately drove me away.

I can only imagine how far I could have been at this point when I would have joined ArdaCraft earlier. When I would have joined when MCME removed the castle I had worked on for weeks without a word. Or when I got banned over saying a stupid word. Or even when ArdaCraft was founded. I could have had years more experience using the mod-pack and using my brain to think realistically.

And even now, just last week, I was banned permanently from their discord and server for, and I am not joking here, “talking condescendingly”. Talking. Condescendingly. I am willing to share their evidence here, not only because I think it is complete bullshit, which is another word I can freely use here. I also just do not care anymore. I was banned from the discord when I reacted the word “autism” on TI’s frankly, well, autistic birthday cake. When a current staff member of MCME does the same to something I post, I get the permaban. I do have evidence for this and will share if nessecary.

Hard work does not seem to be rewarded under Finrod’s lead as Head Designer and this drove a number of staff members, including me, away. Where do players who want to continue building the great world that Tolkien created go? ArdaCraft. It can not be denied that since Finrod took over the role of Head Designer, MCME has gone down hill drastically. Under the previous Head Designer’s guider, great project such as Minas Tirith, Osgiliath and Pelargir were finished. Of course, improvements have been made, look for example at Despot’s Moria resource pack and Eriol’s plugins. But a good leader is what’s missing from MCME nowadays. His own staff members do not trust him anymore, look at Operation Janus and his recent visits to ArdaCraft’s Rivendell and Misty Mountains. While losing support from his Designers he has been busy driving away people by not taking seriously what they have to say. The driving away of people combined with the lower numbers joining the server leads to one thing, namely stagnation. Combine this with two ranks focussed on not building, and you have got yourself a dysfunctional server. What does Finrod do to solve the low number of builders? He lowers the standards his builders need just to crank the numbers up. But then these builders spend their time smoothing terrain by hand. In the meantime, ArdaCraft has only been making the quality of their builders higher.

If Finrod is such a naive person to trust Fornad and Eaglz, is he fit to lead such a project? It is difficult enough to trust people when you can see their facial expressions. But then why is Finrod so easy to trust competitors when only hearing their voice, or worse, just seeing the words they are typing? If Finrod is so hard to contact, for whatever reason, that this too stagnates the server, should he be the person to contact about the project’s biggest decision? Why are there ranks dedicated to not building? Why do the actual building ranks smooth terrain by hand? Why do they redo perfectly good cities? Who allowed this to be redone? Why did they choose for itemblocks, which kill FPS? Why are so many MCME players now active on ArdaCraft? Why is there a travel agency in Dol Amroth? Why is Finrod still in charge? Why?

I don’t know the answers to these question, but I think these are questions worth asking if MCME wants to escape the downward spiral they have entered when Finrod took over. I know Finrod probably will not read this, just because I wrote it, even ArdaCraft members might just say “no” to such a wall of text, but I just wanted to vent what I think of this whole situation. Even my resignation post on MCME’s forums wasn’t a complete shitpost. There was some honest and true criticism hidden in between the jokey nature the post was written in.

I always said I just wanted to build Middle-Earth and joke around, and I am glad I found the place where I can do that.

Beathaven

P.S. Evidence: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B87qZxEIz-frMkx0QlNZNl9nT3M


#27

You can be kicked 5 years ago, temp-banned 4 years ago, and then get permenantly banned today because it’s your third punishment.

#justthemcmethings


#28

Thought I’d post in this thread as it seemed the most appropriate.

Earlier this evening, @Hearthseeker used his build perms on MCME to grief their Rauros. I came online when the damage was done. I’ll admit my initial reaction was not admirable, but a quick slap in the face from @Freshmilkymilk brought me to my senses.

What happened tonight was not acceptable. There is a clear and obvious line between memes/jokes and griefing, and the fact that Hearth could not see this has led to his demotion. I’m still deciding whether or not it merits a ban. Quite apart from the moral reasons for this - destroying the work of others is obviously a dickish thing to do - it could quite easily lead to an ugly, tit-for-tat conflict in which work on both servers is compromised. We’re here to build Middle-earth and enjoy ourselves, but when ‘enjoying ourselves’ means compromising our own builds it’s time to stop.

I apologise directly to @Finrod_Amandil and the staff/players of MCME for letting this situation get out of hand.


Going Away Thread
#29

Hate to bring this up again, but something has happened which needs addressing.

Finrod has decided to threaten several members of this community with legal action due to (in his words) “cyber bullying, stalking, defamation, instigation to suicide, coercion, and threatening”.

I somewhat regret my earlier apology. Members of this community have threatened the peace and sanctity of his Minecraft server for the better half of 5 months by making cheeky memes and by one instance of griefing, but now he is threatening to affect our lives for decades to come. Some of us are legal minors, whilst Finrod is in his mid-20s. Threatening legal action is a clear attempt on Finrod’s part to scare people younger and less experienced than him into stop hurting his feelings/wasting his time - which, I’m sure you’ll agree, is not a very nice thing to do.

Here’s why he has no case.

The only country which has laws on cyber-bullying is New Zealand - which is where @Eaglz24 lives. The Harmful Digital Communications Act 2015 states in Section 4 that “In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires, harm means serious emotional distress”. Finrod has admitted this is not the case for him:

In the UK (my country), the Crown Prosecution Service advises a “high threshold” for prosecuting social media users under the Malicious Communications Act.

“Just because the content expressed in the communication is in bad taste, controversial or unpopular, and may cause offence to individuals or a specific community, this is not in itself sufficient reason to engage the criminal law,” according to their guidelines. This will be much the same in any other country.

None of us know Finrod in real life, and none of us have done him any emotional or physical damage - as he has admitted himself. All we have done is wasted his time.

To conclude, if you were one of the people threatened, I’m telling you that you have absolutely nothing to worry about here. Feel free to make edgy memes, my friends.


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#31

So, who wants to be my roommate in federal prison? Can’t wait to tell all the inmates I’m in here for posting memes on an autistic video game forum


#32

Anybody who was convicted cause they did something to the police sometimes gets some sort of a high standing among the prisoners, just bring pictures of the del police memes and they’ll love ya